BASC-220 – Spain’s CATOBAR Carrier

The BASC-220 or Spain’s CATOBAR Carrier

What the Ship might have looked like had the Argentines used it

Yes this is a real unbuilt design by Spain in the 1990s who tried to sell it to China who at the time never bought it probably cause they couldn’t afford it or didn’t need it while Brazil could’ve bought it but didn’t probably as they were going to get the Clemenceau-class aircraft carrier from France in 2000 while Argentina was financially broke and hadn’t recovered after their disastrous defeat in the Falklands War against the UK.

The BASC-220’s total length was 241.8 metres with a beam of 29.5 meters, a depth to flight deck of 22.5 metres and had a displacement at full load was 27,000 tonnes.

The propulsion was apparently a Combined Diesel and Gas / Combined Gas And Gas system which gave 76,440/88,500 Horsepower for a max speed of 25.5 / 26.5 knots whose range at 15 knots was 7500 miles.

Her Anti-Air Defensive armament is unknown but she was capable of 24 aircraft probably helicopters too as it was designed for up to 20 F-18-like aircraft and 4 Anti-Submarine Warfare Helicopters.

Sadly Spain’s carrier export ambitions never really took off but what do we they’d have called this although my info is probably not the best as information about this ship is very hard to find.

I know you’re getting tired of the frequency of these posts and I’ll try to cut back on the number but when I find an unbuilt ship that never made it, I feel I have should share this with you lot.

Implications of the CVA-01 had she been built

Link to CVA-01 Post: https://diamondsofthenight.home.blog/2020/10/10/cva-01-aircraft-carrier-2/

In a post I made I talked about the CVA-01 compared to the Kitty-Hawk but it was a mess but thanks to some feedback and suggestion gave this post so let’s begin

The CVA-01’s air wing was suppose to be up to 50 aircraft but apparently might have had room for 68.

It was suppose to have eighteen F-4K Phantom two but was apparently able to carry eighteen more and had eighteen Blackburn Buccaneer S.2C or S.2D Strike aircraft with two or four Blackburn Buccaneer S.2 coverted tankers with four Fairey Gannet AEW Mk.3 for Airborne Early Warning and single Gannet COD.4 with five Westland WS-61 Sea King HAS.1 for Anti-Submarine Warfare and two Westland WS-58 Wessex HAS.1 Anti-Submarine Warfare converted to Search and Rescue

So the CVA-01’s being built has implications are more interesting as it raises questions

1. Does the Royal Navy drop funding of Harrier in favour of fixed-wing naval aviation?

A. Somehow I don’t think so as there was a need for the Harrier so yeah the Sea Harrier would probably get built to give close air support to the Royal Marines and as the Invincible Class were originally suppose to be Anti-Submarine Warfare carriers so in the end no they probably they’d keep funding the Sea Harrier

2. To build its airwing, does the Royal Navy continue to procure U.S. naval aircraft or does it instead focus on domestic production, or even a partnership with France?

A. Possibly they could’ve bought the F-14s as the RAF did consider it although rejected it although maybe later when they needed to modernise the carrier air wing they could’ve bought Rafale Ms although maybe the Eurofighter Typhoon’s navalised proposal probably would replaced the F4 & Buccaneer

3. How does CVA-1 perform in the Falklands campaign and how does it influence it? Follow-up, does the Falklands War even happen. Argentina’s entire military case for their invasion was a perceived inability of the Royal Navy to project force in the South Atlantic. Does CVA-1, with a far more robust and longer range airwing, change their calculation? I’d argue it does

A. The CVA-01s likely would’ve been the flagships of the taskforce along with the Invincible and Centaur class light aircraft carrier making up the carrier force, the destroyer force would be the Bristol class, Sheffield class and County class Destroyers, the frigate force would’ve been made of the Broadsword class, Amazon class, Leander class and Rotesay class frigates.

The Landing ship force would’ve been the Fearless class and Round-table class landing ships with castle class offshore patrol ship and a large fleet of supply ships which would have been Fort Roselie class, Tide class, Oi-class, Leaf class and Rover class supply ship

Musn’t forget the Submarine force that would’ve been the Valiant class, Churchill class and Swiftsure class SSNs and Oberon class attack submarines.

Odds are had the British had the CVA-01s in the Falkland task force they had then the war would’ve been easier as the F-4Ks could do combat air patrol over the fleet and would have given the British complete air supremacy as they’d have been facing the Argentine Air Force French Dassault Mirage 3E & Israeli-made IAI Dagger A fighters and US-made Douglas A-4B & A-4C Skyhawk and Argentina’s own IA-58A Pucara ground-attack turboprops and British-made English-Electric Canberra B.62 jet bombers as the Mirage 3s were packing two 30mm Defa 552 Revolver Cannons with 250 rounds and two R.550 Magic and one R.530 missiles while the Daggers had the 30mm cannon and R.550 Magic 1s

When compared the British Phantoms which likely would’ve had the four AIM-9L Sidewinders and up to six AIM-7D Sparrows which would have probably meant the F-4s could get more shots on target.

Once the Argentine Air Force was crushed as the Buccaneers would have probably gutted the Argentine Navy probably sinking their both their carrier group which were made of a lone colossus-class light aircraft carrier and their southern strike group of a Brookyln Class Light Cruiser and Allen.M.Summer Class Destroyers and the fleet tankers assigned to their respective task force fleets leaving their Navy severely crippled.

Although its more likely the Argentines wouldn’t have bothered to invade to begin with…..

However it should be kept in mind that the Argentine military junta were deeply unpopular at the time so odds they probably would tried anyway but then how much worse would the Argentine military be today I wonder?

4. How does the construction of CVA-1 influence Royal Navy shipbuilding for the second half of the 20th Century and beyond?

A. Most likely the Royal Navy would’ve continued with CATOBAR carrier in the Queen Elizabeth Class or an improved carrier based on the CVA-01 with a newer powerplant similar but an enlarged version of an Integrated Electric Propulsion type system like the one used on the Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers with F-35Bs replacing the Harriers and F-35Cs replacing whatever the CVA-01 used in place of the F-4s and Buccaneers.

The most probable replacement for the F-4K Phantom 2 and Buccaneer S.2 would be the Navalised version of Hawker-Siddeley HS.1207 or as i dub her the Wasp in the fighter role and Hawker-Siddeley HS.1197 Buccaneer S.3 strike aircraft.

Sadly the CVA-01 was cancelled shame really as she would’ve been a good asset to the Royal Navy and presumably NATO as well.

Germany’s carrier conversion fleet

So I’ve already talked about the Graf Zeppelin Class Aircraft Carrier but the Nazis had several Converted Carrier ideas that were planned but never finished and here they are

Our 1st other German carrier is the I-class which was a conversion of German-Passenger Ship, the SS Europa of the Nordduetscher Lloyd passenger ship line and she was to have Twenty-Four BF-109T-1 and Eighteen Ju-87C Stuka aircraft and her guns were to Twelve 4.1-inch SK C/33, Twenty 1.5-inch SK c/30 Anti-Air Guns and Twenty-Eight to Thirty-Six 0.79-inch SK C/30 Anti-Air Guns.

Our 2nd other German carrier is the II-class which was the incomplete French Navy cruiser the F.N.S De Grasse which was suppose to have eleven BF-109T-1 and twelve Ju-87C Stuka aircraft while her guns consisted of Twelve 4.1-inch SK C/33 and 1.5-inch SK C/30 Anti-Air Guns and Twenty-Four 0.79-inch SK C/30 Anti-Air Guns.

The 3rd of the German’s other carriers is Jade class aircraft carriers which were conversions of German passenger-liners, the SS Gneisenau and SS Potsdam of the Nordduetscher Lloyd passenger ship line were intended to carry twelve BF109T-1 fighters and Ju-87C Stuka bombers, these carriers were to have ten 4.1-inch SK C/33 and 1.5-inch SK c/30 Anti-Air Guns and Twenty-Four-Thirty-Two 0.79-inch SK C/30 Anti-Air Guns.

And finally this the Weser class whiich was a converted Admiral Hipper Class Heavy Cruiser, the K.M.S Seydlitz and were to be armed with ten BF109T-1 fighters and ten Ju-87C Stuka bombers.

Her defensive armament was ten 4.1-inch SK C/33 and 1.5-inch SK c/30 Anti-Air Guns and twenty-four 0.79-inch SK C/30 Anti-Air Guns.

Would these converted carriers have made any difference to the war if they were finished and what would the implications be if any or all of them been completed?

Frankly not really as they’d all likely be hunted down and sunk by the UK’s Royal Air Force and Royal Navy

French Post-WW2 proposed carrier designs

So after WW2 The French seem to catch up in carriers

First is the PA16A/PA16B which had a displacement of 20.000 tons which had a speed of 30 knots and an air wing capacity of 40 aircraft and the PA-16/PA-16B was based on the cancelled Joffre design.

The 2nd post-WW2 Carrier was the PA19 carrier that was 260 metres long and had a displacement of 30,000 tonnes with a speed of 30 knots and was armed with twelve 155mm guns in four triple-turrets.

She ultimately had a single hangar with two lifts with a capacity of 50 aircraft.

The PA19 was the French trying to redesign the Joffre Class Aircraft Carrier with the lessons of World War 2 but it didn’t work out.

Now we come to the PA25 aircraft carrier which was the first clean-sheet design that had a displacement of 25,000 tonnes and a speed of 30 knots.

Her Gun Armament was eight 114mm Guns, sixteen 37mm and forty 20mm Guns.

She had a single hangar with two lifts with an unknown number of aircraft.

There was a carrier design based on the helicopter carrier I talked about, but I’m gonna do a separate post at some point.

UK’s Mini-A-10 the British Aerospace P.101 Blitz

Yes you heard that right the British had an A-10 of their own the British Aerospace P.101 Blitz sadly it was never put into production but was built from redesigned Jet Provost T.5 airframe with the jet exhaust removed and the canopy redesigned.

The single Rolls-Royce Viper Mark.201 Turbojet would be replaced with either two Rolls-Royce Viper Mk.600 turbojets generating 8000ibs of thrust or a single 5540ib thrust Rolls-Royce RB.401-35 Turbofan or US-made Garrett ATF3 Turbofan

The P.101 Blitz was to have a single 30mm GAU-13/A Rotary Gatling Gun firing an unknown number of rounds of PAU-14 Depleted Uranium Rounds like the rounds used in the A-10’s GAU-8/A Avenger.

Sadly I haven’t been able to find an image on google of this aircraft but there are diagrams in Chris Gibson’s Typhoon to Typhoon book on Royal Air Force Air Support Projects since 1945

From the pictures in the book this is a description of what I think would have been the most likely final design

A redesigned Jet Provost T.5 airframe with 30mm GAU-13/A in the nose, at the rear were a twin tail and two Rolls-Royce Viper 600 turbojets with four underwing hardpoints.

Side Note: I suspect the P.101 Blitz would’ve had its Rolls-Royce Viper mk.600s replaced with two Rolls-Royce RB.401-35 Turbofan giving 11,080ibs of thrust

Why I feel its highly unlikely we’ll get a WW2 Ace Combat

I have seen in polls that some want a WW2 Ace Combat Video Game and I know there are a few or some who’d like an Ace Combat game set around WW2 or the 1940s but I have to drop cold water on that for several reasons

To rehash a previous point form my WW1 Post the few jets, weapon options and surviving aircraft would cause problems but this time I think there is more than just this

Side note: as a point I’ll link to a post on a Japanese WW2 plane in the UK https://www.reddit.com/r/acecombat/comments/ktqbuw/uks_rare_japanese_ww2_aircraft/

Next is the matter of Japan’s very messy history of the Imperial Japanese Empire and how it affected the countries Japan invaded and with atrocities that Japan committed back then which I will not name and technically not how sure which countries, it is but there is likely lingering resentment against Japan for the atrocities committed, in fact Germany and Italy go out of their way to make sure that when Germany and Italy were at their worst is not taught and is some things actually illegal to show.

The PA when they used them in AC0 for Belka drawing on Nazi Germany and Erusea apparently drawing on Fascist Italy yeah the writers of those game probably had to be very careful and in today’s climate, Yeah I’d think the PA Team would play safe and not want to risk causing controversy as that’s the last thing they need as it would hurt the game when trying to sell it

Yeah the Sky crawlers is likely the best we’re gonna get as I’ll re-iterate with a comment I made on my ww1 post and I quote: the earliest we’d probably go is the 1950s at best

Why the 50s is the earliest well they’d have jets form that era to look at for the game and have more special weapon options to choose from and they’d not have any controversy risk of Japan’s messy history

Update: I just realised something else the complicated ship classification system in use back then and aircraft role classifications

why I can’t see a WW1 era Ace Combat

So I know there are a tiny few who want a WW1 era AC Game to cover the Osean War of 1905 to 1910 but don’t think we’ll see that for 1 reason the lack of surviving WW1-era planes

Why?

Well presumably when the PA Team are making the assets for the game they’d want to use examples of the aircraft that exist which is the problem with WW1 Bi and Tri-planes as with WW2, Cold War and Modern stuff there are enough that they can get pics however there are few WW1 Era planes that exist today with some ww1 aircraft not surviving today at all which is a really major setback as a picture can only give a limited information

So as much as it would be nice to have a WW1 era game given the lack of models from that time I honestly don’t believe there will be one